Joshua Graves
Exploring the Collision of Culture & Faith
Churches, Mosques, and Synagogues
August 18, 2010

As a Christian minister, I am a public leader. Like it or not, it comes with the territory. I know the following will resonate with some and disturb others. I write the following after much study, reflection, and prayer. I write also knowing that a blog is a tenuous place to talk about the things that really matter.

I’ve been reading the Pulitzer-Prize winner The Good Soldiers this week and paying attention to the debate raging across the media landscape regarding the mosque that could potentially be built near the sight of the Twin Towers (a.k.a Ground Zero). Good Soldiers is a painful account of how absolutely dark war can be, the complexity of Nation-State and religions in bed with each other, the perspectives of the soldier (often ignored by both parties in the U.S.) and the sheer difficulty of measuring what is “good” and “redemptive” in a war-time era. The book also masterfully depicts the complexity of the collision between America’s Christianity and Iraq’s Islam (not to mention the fact that there are Muslims in the U.S. and Christians in Iraq).

I sympathize with those who are opposed to a mosque being built near Ground Zero. It is a “slap in the face”, in this perspective, to put one of the major symbols of Islam (a mosque, more appropriately titled, masjid–mosque is the French translation of the Arabic) in the shadow of the deadliest attack from an outside group on American soil. Over three thousand people, innocent people lost their lives. It was a day of sheer evil and horror. A day that has forever changed the narrative of good and evil in America.

I understand that many U.S. citizens are afraid of Islam, or detest Islam because of certain actions of a small minority (it’s a religion of 1.2 billion people–the second largest religion in the world behind Christianity which has just over 2 billion adherents). But, the fear/rage is also the result of the lack of leadership on behalf of other Islamic leaders speaking out against the terrorist expression of jihad. The world needs more Islamic leaders to step to center stage and speak out against the insidious violence we see almost every week–just as we needed Christian leaders to speak out against the genocide of Native Americans, the atomic bombs dropped in Japan, the Holocaust in Europe, the murder of 800k  in Rwanda, the slaughter in Sudan, the list goes on and on. SIDE NOTE: The majority of Muslims in the world do not live in the Middle East. The majority live outside: For instance, I believe Indonesia has more Muslims than any other single country.

When I asked a Muslim leader at the al-Farooq mosque in Atlanta why more Muslim leaders don’t speak out, he apologized, agreed and also noted that “Christians have gone silent during some of the great injustices of human history.” Whether one believes Jesus to be the true revelation of God (which I do), his point is well taken.

Perhaps there are a few more things to consider on this public matter. First, I’ m appalled at the inconsistency of some in their reading of the 1st Amendment (many don’t know what the 1st Amendment actually says). That is, conservatives become “intent of the law” (i.e. “The Founding Fathers meant Christianity when they wrote ‘religion.’”) interpreters and liberals become strict constructionists (i.e. “It says ‘freedom of religion’). We are all selective interpreters and selective fundamentalists. Until we begin to admit this, we can’t cover the ground needed to move forward. We tend to be “selective” when it’s in our best interest or fits our particular belief system.

Second, the actual location is two blocks from Ground Zero. Manhattan is a big place. If I understand the facts accurately, there’s another mosque even closer that’s been there for several decades.

Third, Since the Immigration Act of 1965 (see blog post here), the ethnic, and thereby religious, landscape of America will never be the same. America can choose to eliminate all Muslims from our society, isolate and imprison, or seek to build authentic relationships for understanding and mutual transformation. What other options are there? I choose the latter because I think the future depends upon it.

Fusing the world of Jesus with the contemporary is a remarkably difficult task. It takes wisdom, discernment, and historical perspective. I personally would not want to treat a minority group in a way, that if the roles were reversed,  would silence my religious beliefs. If the leaders of Iran ask me if they should allow a church to be built, I would enthusiastically hope for this happen. If you object, saying, “That will never happen in Iran.” Perhaps, but if we believe it should, perhaps our duty in America is to show that such mutual respect and mutual commitment for one’s deepest convictions should compel all of us to exemplify the best of our traditions, not the worst.

May God grant us the courage to change the things we can, the humility to accept the things we cannot change and the wisdom to know the difference.

25 Comments

This is a very wise and well-balanced piece. I think you’ve articulated well the feelings of both sides while making your point.

I wish more Christians would see the increasing number of Muslims and/or others immigrating to the US as a missional opportunity rather than just as a reason to become fearful (what does fear have to do with faith?). I also wonder if many Christians opposed to a Mosque have considered the precedent such prohibition may have…if the government tells the Muslim community where they can and cannot build a meeting place today, it may be the government dictating that same rule to Christians tomorrow.

Grace and peace,

Rex

by K. Rex Butts (Aug 18 2010, 7:44 am)

Josh, thank you for this challenging piece. I think the actual distance is more like 5 blocks, but as the plans are for a much larger edifice than a typical American masjid (more like an Islamic megachurch campus with a theater and a pool – a cultural center), it will be a much more prominent part of Manhattan architecture than the closer worship center.

Rex, I wrote about precisely what you’re thinking – the inconsistency of Christians asking the government to dictate where religious buildings & practices may occur – last week. Josh’s piece is much more balanced than mine, though – but I was interacting with someone from the fear-of-Islam side of the discussion.

And I *love* what Jon Stewart said in response to Newt Gingrich’s complaint:

Newt: “I don’t want to be lectued by them about religious liberty when there’s not a single church or a single synaogue in Saudi Arabia.”

Jon: “Why should we as Americans have higher standards of religious liberty than Saudi Arabia?” Yes, that’s just CRAZY talk!

by nick gill (Aug 18 2010, 8:31 am)

i hope it’s alright to post a link to my thoughts (if i were a mom, anyway):

http://jamesbrett.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/a-mothers-response-to-the-ground-zero-controversy

in brief, i’ll give them here. muslims should not knowingly upset christians (and much of the nation) by building a learning center and mosque in this location.

and christians should not think they have any right to demand where others meet and worship. i can’t think of a Jesus response in which he’d demand his own rights or demand that he not be offended, etc. maybe i’m wrong, but i can’t think of one.

by JamesBrett (Aug 18 2010, 8:56 am)

I realize it’s not just the structure of a mosque that Christians are opposed to, but it’s what the structure represents, even if they are false perceptions.

The debates remind me of Nathan’s prophecy to King David and David’s response in 1 Chronicles 17, when David wanted to build the Temple. Paul later reminds the church at Corinth that “they are that temple.”

How would the argument from Christians against mosques, change with a better appreciation of our lives being that temple?

Do we actually give more credence to a structure of brick and mortar when we argue against a mosque and does this also cause us to place more emphasis on our own buildings as a representation of our beliefs?

by Ben (Aug 18 2010, 9:09 am)

KRex: OC is exploring hosting a very impt national conversation per your “missional opportunity” point. Great insights.
Nic: thanks for the clarification, good thoughts
Brett: What’s happening in your part of Africa with Christian/Muslim dialog?

Ben: Don’t bring scripture into this. Just kidding. Timely point! Symbolism is so powerful.

by josh (Aug 18 2010, 11:23 am)

“What’s happening in your part of Africa with Christian/Muslim dialog?”

here in the rural town of geita… nothing at all. religion in general is largely nominal here, so there’s surprisingly little conflict. a muslim guy started coming to one of our bible studies and just announced, “yeah, i decided to start studying the bible because i’m pretty sure i want to change to christian. but muslim and christian are the same thing, just different books.”

so that’s how about half the dialogue here goes. there are others (both christians and muslims), obviously, who take their religion more seriously — but there’s not much direct conflict. instead they just talk about how the other group is possessed by spirits and then refuse to go anywhere near their places of worship.

the only direct conflict i know of was when a guy started trying to sell pork in the meat and vegetable market in town. i was told he was chased away with brooms and sticks.

oh, and sometimes the mosques and churches get in a loudspeaker competition to see who can play their music and prayers louder. that’s really annoying. they think of it as good evangelistic outreach, though.

muslims are building really good schools and offering really low school fees for kids. they then are able to teach islam alongside (and as) the other subjects. i think that’s the main outreach plan for islam in tanzania. they are fairly fast in their spreading toward the west, and i would expect when the younger generation is older for the number of muslims in any given place to at least double.

(sorry for the long answer; remember, i don’t get to speak in english with many people…)

by JamesBrett (Aug 18 2010, 12:08 pm)

Josh,

Great thoughts here. I often struggle with how ignorant and nasty Christians can be when it comes to certain issues. I am especially distraught by the nasty way that Christians enter into the political arena.

I get worried whenever a politician pushes his or her religious beliefs as a way to get votes. It appears we want to use our Christianity and our government when it best suits us. It is like we want the police around when someone is breaking the law, but when we get stopped for speeding we question whether they should be stopping us or out catching real criminals.

I am not sure we should worry about whether the government will ban Christian places of worship if they ban this mosque. It seems like a professor (Dr. York, Dr. Camp, etc.)I had helped me question the validity of “slipper slope” arguments.

The bigger issue is how we treat others. If we intentionally seek to do them harm or make them unwelcome in the name of fear then we lose all opportunity to share the love of God with them.

Blessings…..I’m going to put a link to this post on my blog.

by JoshW (Aug 18 2010, 1:02 pm)

Josh,

I am glad to hear that OC is going to have such a conversation. Churches need to start actively speaking about the mission opportunities we have right under our noses. Satan would love nothing more than to keep silent those in the church with the eyes to see and hears to hear…that way the only voices being heard are the fear monikers that fill the airwaves on the various cable news channels.

May God bless the conversation at OC!

-Rex

by K. Rex Butts (Aug 18 2010, 4:22 pm)

Brett: Thanks for the insight. I did not know what the Christian/Muslim climate was like. In other parts, as you know, it’s all out war.

Josh: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Did we have classes together at LU?

by josh (Aug 18 2010, 7:26 pm)

Rex,

It’s an interesting dilemma. How do I genuinely respect a Muslim (or agnostic or Jew) but hope that they become as compelled by the Jesus Way as I am? Thanks for the blessing. I always appreciate your perspective on diff. blogs. Where do you live?

by josh (Aug 18 2010, 7:28 pm)

Josh,

I live in Dover, NJ and serve as the preacher for the Randolph CoC. I am actually quite new here but we are a congregation just trying to learn what it means to be an ingigenous missional church in the area (as opposed to a rural southern pastoral congregation transplanted in the north). Dover is about 45 minutes west of NYC with about 600,000 people living in Morris County.

Grace and peace,

Rex

by K. Rex Butts (Aug 19 2010, 5:45 am)

Rex: Wow. You have a journey ahead of you. That’s the transition Rochester CoC went through (suburban Detroit). Having a progressive liberal arts college next door helped a great deal. Blessings upon your work, brother.

JG

by josh (Aug 19 2010, 6:26 am)

Josh, Adam Ellis posted a link to this on FB, and I commented there. Adam suggested I do the same here, so here I am, and here is what I posted.
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I read that. A lot of it seemed to me to be straw-man arguments. For instance, the “silence of Christians” in centuries past is irrelevant. Misreading the First Amendment is irrelevant. (Dismantling weak arguments from one side, in other words, does not make the other side stronger.) I don’t understand his “third” point at all as it relates to this. “Building relationships” and “building a mosque” are completely different things. As I see it, at this point I have a lot of reasons to distrust the imam in charge here, and few reasons to trust him. The onus is on him to prove trustworthy.

Joshua says, “I personally would not want to treat a minority group in a way, that if the roles were reversed, would silence my religious beliefs.” I would respond by asking, “Who is talking about silencing religious beliefs?” This, to me, is a giant example of a straw man argument.

I would also say that “having the ‘right’” is not the same as “doing the ‘right’ thing.”

My personal belief is that is is much more than just a “slap in the face” to the families of the victims. I also think that asking the victim’s families to just eat their pain and allow this to move forward (for the higher good) is incredibly arrogant.

Ultimately, I’m struggling to take the gray and make it black and white w/r/t this question. My gut reaction to the question of whether or not to move forward with this is to say, “Slow down!”

by Michael Polutta (Aug 19 2010, 6:56 am)

The public debate about this non-issue has brought out the worst in both sides. Thank you for adding such a thoughtful, informed and peaceful voice.

This is certainly one of the best things that I’ve read about the so-called Ground Zero Mosque.

If the liberation of Iraqi Muslims is worth fighting for overseas, surely the Constitutional protection of Muslims is worth fighting for at home.

by Tyler Clark (Aug 19 2010, 7:26 am)

Josh,

I appreciate balanced view and concern shown here in this blog. I believe that you accurately took a gracious stance in this heated debate. Brother lets keep our prayers going that we may all come to this understanding. Here in TN we are going through a similar battle dealing with the opposition and support of a mosque being built I appreciate the outlook that you mention with a church in Iran or Iraq. As Christians we should let God do the battle cause I believe that Gamaliel said it best when it is not of God it will fail. Let us live out the truths of Jesus so that the world will know what a Christian really is about. Blessings

by James Angus (Aug 19 2010, 9:25 am)

Michael: all good points. Per my comment about treating in a way I want to be treated. I was probably thinking more generally about the disdain many Americans have about mosque’s (from surveys and polls). You are right in catching that. Thanks.

Tyler: you wrote: “If the liberation of Iraqi Muslims is worth fighting for overseas, surely the Constitutional protection of Muslims is worth fighting for at home.” That’s a powerful sentiment. While I would take issue whether or not the war in Iraq is/was about liberation of Muslims, your point is strong.

James–you are right. This is a local issue that isn’t going away. JG

by josh (Aug 19 2010, 10:20 am)

My biggest issue in all of this is the seeming ease with which Christians are willing to believe the worst about a group of people based on the actions of a few. The lack of charity and grace that we don’t seem willing to give to others, even others of a different faith than us. It feels like the fears and trepidations that people have are being co-opted into a fear of “the other” without taking the time to learn about them and the individuals who are involved in it. It strikes me as being unChristlike.

by Phil W. (Aug 19 2010, 10:25 am)

“the seeming ease with which Christians are willing to believe the worst about a group of people based on the actions of a few”

I’m stealing this line. That’s right on.

by josh (Aug 19 2010, 2:13 pm)

A salamu alaikum,
After spending 7 years in northern Nigeria witnessing the dark side of Islam accompanied with the often darker version of violent “Christian” response, I couldn’t agree more. Anthropology and Scripture teach us that this is a human nature problem to shroud our biases in religion while hurling stones at others. The entire “masjid” debate at ground zero is no different. Our battle as believers is not to utilize judicio-political means to defeat Muslims. Our mission is to love these followers of Allah who believe in Jesus as prophet by demonstrating that we live in a kingdom bigger than any contemporary nation state may define.
Alaikum salam,
Brad Blake

by Brad Blake (Aug 19 2010, 7:01 pm)

Hope it’s ok to post… don’t see any women’s voices! This debate is a good example of your book.. collison of culture and faith, and a conversation that we should expect as America’s religious landscape is changing.I don’t see this issue as one of freedom, or of intolerance, no one can argue that it is their right to build anywhere, but it certainly is one of sensitivity. Perception is reality, and the perception is that those involved in this project are not being sensitive to the pain that 9/11 caused. What better example of peace and harmony, but to say “we understand your pain, and will willingly relocate to avoid the perception that we are insensitive to this issue” Most of the time,actions speak louder than words, really, how that action could change the debate.

by Marlene (Aug 20 2010, 7:14 am)

Marlene: you are most welcome to post, thanks for your careful thoughts. I think the point you raise is a good one. In history, one example would be Nagasaki or Hiroshima (though the events leading up are not a true parallel)–it would be insensitive to bring Christianity (a symbol to many of life in America) in public ways following up the atomic bombings.

Brad: Thanks for your perspective. The African perspective is so important as it seems to be the place where Christianity and Islam are most violently meeting right now. Thanks for sharing. Peace is our prayer.

“The problem with war is that’s is so boring,” Stanley Hauerwas.

by josh (Aug 20 2010, 7:45 am)

Or the alternate perspective, Marlene, could be “We are trying to show you, by building this community center, that not all Muslims agree with what happen and we want to be a part of the continuing healing process with people of all faiths.”

by Phil W. (Aug 20 2010, 8:48 am)

Interesting discussion. I hope you don’t mind my adding some thoughts.

I guess I didn’t realize this was a religious issue. I thought it was a political and legal one. For me it would be like Christians becoming upset because the Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis or Mark Cuban was unable to purchase the Texas Rangers.

Obviously people were and are upset about those moves and yet they really have no bearing on our ability to love our neighbor.

Maybe I need to finish reading your book.

by Darin (Aug 20 2010, 12:17 pm)

You are absolutely right that the African continent is the laboratory for peaceful coexistence even authentic friendship between Christ-followers, Muslims, and the disciples of ancient African traditional religion. Nigeria being the continent’s most populous nation particulary northern Nigeria is at the epicenter of this convergence. It is exceedingly difficult for Christ-followers anywhere in the world to maintain focus on relevant witness while keeping political, social, and quasi-religious concerns (e.g., ground zero mosque) secondary. We pray for our brothers and sisters to be motivated by the power of the Spirit to love those who are searching for the Jesus greater than a prophet. Al’ Qur’an 3:36b: “His name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honored in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God.”

by Brad Blake (Aug 20 2010, 3:15 pm)

Great response Josh.

I think the biggest issue here is that Christian churches ignore the command to love our enemies. That passage from Christ (and Romans 12) solidify for me the christian ethic, and color my understanding of the cross and what was accomplished. While we were enemies of God… God through Christ, rather than responding with what we deserved, laid down his life for us. When we view the cross not just as atonement bit as an ethic, our response as Christians to these type of situations must change. No longer are we fearful. No longer do we assault (physically or through the legal systems) those who would try to destroy us. We respond with love, even if it means giving up our lives for those enemies.

by Justin (Aug 20 2010, 8:41 pm)

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